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VENTURISTS, discussion on starting a new, lower-cost cryonics operation

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VENTURISTS, discussion on starting a new, lower-cost cryonics operation

January 7 2013 at 7:41 AM
Rick55   (no login)

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/New_Cryonet/message/4115

rick55 says... this is a travesty...

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The first will be a followup of last month's discussion on starting a new,
lower-cost cryonics operation. Some headway has been made regarding bylaws and a
business plan, which will be reported on and maybe argued over.

 
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This is doomed to fail because the big money is required... and is being diverted.

January 7 2013, 2:08 PM 

This is more of another "front" than a true operation in my opinion because all cryonics operations require a cryonics insurance fund and in current climate of deregulating the rules against perpetuities, all big money will go to self-appointed bequests.

 
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Dave Pizer, a Venturist found, should know better-- since he himself is a perptruster.

January 7 2013, 4:44 PM 

...and Mark+ who posts here is his employee... so it's impossible to resolve the conflict of interest between a wealthy and a wealthless cryonicist on this basis. You really have to wonder what people are thinking.

 
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This pizer/sinclair operation MUST be viewed as pretty sleazy by Alcor and CI-- I want

January 7 2013, 5:16 PM 

...I want their OFFICIAL response!!!

 
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My view is that a "cheaper" cryonics org is ANOTHER diversion away from Perp trusts..

January 7 2013, 6:16 PM 

... which Dave has.

 
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Cryonics needs proper financing as cryonics insurance and credit club... not another org.

January 7 2013, 6:19 PM 

It's as if mark didn't point dave to this site or make the points that mark himself supports about the the sheer idiocy of dave's own plan to direct his estate to a perp trust.

 
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Rick55 
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Why is Jack Sinclair not listed through google-listings in scottsale?

January 7 2013, 6:20 PM 


 
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BR
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it's st. clair

January 8 2013, 6:07 AM 


 
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Rick55 
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thanks.

January 8 2013, 9:11 AM 

https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=jack+st.+clair+scottsdale&btnG=Search&hl=en&gbv=2

"jack st. clair" scottsdale
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=%22jack+st.+clair%22+scottsdale&btnG=Search&hl=en&gbv=2

Exit Strategy - Google Books Result
books.google.com/books?isbn=1585425052
Michelle Cromer - 2006 - 160 pages
Jack St. Clair has been an Alcor member since 1996. Brandon is a ... If I know I'm going to die, I will come to my house in Scottsdale and wait, Jack says.

He's 60 in 2001... so now 71,72
Cryonics Europe
www.cryonics.org/media/irishindependent.htm - Cached
Nov 24, 2001 ... "No that doesn't worry me, that excites me," says Jack St Clair, a 60 year ... suspension, was set up in 1972 and is based in Scottsdale, Arizona.

search "jack st. clair" -kilby alcor
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=%22jack+st.+clair%22+-kilby+alcor&btnG=Search&num=30&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gbv=2

 
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Rick55 
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More on Jack that belongs to this thread.

January 8 2013, 10:04 AM 


 
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Critical info about Jack St. Clair-- history at Alcor UK and that debacle -- now a new org

January 8 2013, 12:10 PM 

Jack's new org has to be see in the context of the debacle at Alcor UK and it's mysterious sudden shut down... what happened? Now we see Jack here starting a new org in Alcor's town? This town aint big enough for two cryo orgs is it? What's really going on behind the scenese here? Is this an attempt to rescue the alcor quitters? Or what?

 
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Jack "owned" 3% of alcor uk

January 8 2013, 2:13 PM 


 
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Rick55 
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His house not in the same block as Joe Hovey and other Alcor staff ON tbird

January 8 2013, 2:17 PM 


 
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Rick55 
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"scottsdale az" "6901 e. friess st."

January 8 2013, 2:42 PM 


 
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Rick55 
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"scottsdale az" "6901 e. friess st." "jack st. clair"

January 8 2013, 2:43 PM 


 
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"scottsdale " "6901 e. friess st." st. clair

January 8 2013, 2:46 PM 

Property valuation of Friess Drive, Scottsdale, AZ: 6836 (RALPH A ...
www.city-data.com/maricopa-county/F/Friess-Drive-46.html - Cached
Property valuation of Friess Drive, Scottsdale, AZ: 6836, 6843, 6844, 6901, ... Owner: RALPH A/BERTHA E CICCARELLI TR ... Owner: CLAIR JACQUES ST ...

http://www.city-data.com/maricopa-county/F/Friess-Drive-46.html

https://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=&zip=85254&last=St+Clair&first=Jacques

 
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Rick55 
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JACQUES st. clair is french... he's not a brit-- he's a dem

January 8 2013, 2:47 PM 



St. Clair, Jacques
Scottsdale, AZ 85254
N/A/Retired
ARIZONA STATE DEMOCRATIC CENTRAL EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE (D) $300
primary 04/17/07https://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=&zip=85254&last=St+Clair&first=Jacques

 
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300 to dems, 1300 to repubs

January 8 2013, 2:48 PM 


Jacques St Clair in Scottsdale, AZ
Retired$1,300

http://red-blue-you.com/committee/Arizona-Republican-Party/AZ-2.html

 
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no phone

January 8 2013, 2:49 PM 

Jacques Stclair Albany, CA 6901 Friess Dr 94706
Uniondale, NY 769 Coleridge Rd 11553 (516) 538-0890
Scottsdale, AZ 6901 Friess Dr 85254
Jacques S Stclair Uniondale, NY 769 Coleridge Rd 11553 (516) 564-6044
Jacques D Stclair Lemoyne, PA 86 Hummel Ave 17043 (717) 763-4414
http://radaris.com/p/Jacques/Stclair/

 
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Rick55 
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Jack has no face on facebook... go figure... but his "friends" do... heheh

January 8 2013, 3:13 PM 


 
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eucharist cults

January 8 2013, 3:14 PM 


 
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only 2 c2 references

January 8 2013, 2:18 PM 


 
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only 2 c1 refs

January 8 2013, 2:19 PM 


 
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Rick55 
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Jack gave the final invitation on alcor vid-- now is alcor renegade!

January 8 2013, 2:20 PM 

Lastly, Jack St. Clair puts forward a very warm and forthright invitation to
the viewer. "Simply contact Linda or Craig and come and join us! We want
to save our lives and so why don't you save your own as well? There
couldn't have been a better final person for it.
http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=16089

 
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CI article unclear if Jack is into perp trusts or not

January 8 2013, 2:38 PM 

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LAnd even if the cryonicists emerge into an objectively `better' world, it will certainly be an unimaginably different one. Would the culture shock be too much? "No that doesn't worry me, that excites me," says Jack St Clair, a 60 year old businessman from Basingstoke, who signed up to Alcor-UK in 1997. "I think it's going to be a new opportunity, a new challenge, a new excitement. I think people's level of happiness and contentment will be that much greater and opportunities for satisfaction will be immeasurably more than now." A revived human would have a very large family, a small army of descendants. He or she might be the heir to a fortune that had accumulated vast interest in the interim. But it's highly unlikely that, for the foreseeable future, the legal profession will make allowances for people returning to claim estates, once their death cent is issued.

http://www.cryonics.org/media/irishindependent.htm

 
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Jack's phone and email hard to get;

January 8 2013, 2:41 PM 

he's playing hard to get..

 
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Rick55 
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Jack and Dave's Low Cost Cryonics cannot work.

January 8 2013, 3:34 PM 

What a waste of time an effort.

 
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